Last.fm changes the case of tags (incorrectly)

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- said...
- User
- 3 Apr 2008, 17:35
I'm not entirely sure about this one.

http://www.last.fm/music/Rise+and+Fall/

I've never seen it spelled "and" anywhere else but here, but in theory it would be the correct spelling.

http://www.riseandfall.org/

There's the official site that has "And", same goes for all of the info about the band on the Deathwish Inc. website.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: I'm not entirely sure about this one. http://www.last.fm/music/Rise+and+Fall/ I've never seen it spelled "and" anywhere else but here, but in theory it would be the correct spelling. http://www.riseandfall.org/ There's the official site that has "And", same goes for all of the info about the band on the Deathwish Inc. website.[/quote]

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- ghozza said...
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- 3 Apr 2008, 20:03
and is more correct than And ... whatever the official site says

..in my opinion

'There is no terror in the bang, only in the anticipation of it.' -Alfred Hitchcock- ♥

[quote][b][user]ghozza[/user][/b] said: and is more correct than And ... whatever the official site says ..in my opinion[/quote]

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- said...
- User
- 4 Apr 2008, 00:44
Two that annoy me:

http://www.last.fm/music/Blood+Red+Shoes/_/i+wish+i+was+someone+better should be "I Wish I Was Someone Better"

and

http://www.last.fm/music/Interpol/_/NARC should be "Narc"

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: Two that annoy me: http://www.last.fm/music/Blood+Red+Shoes/_/i+wish+i+was+someone+better should be "I Wish I Was Someone Better" and http://www.last.fm/music/Interpol/_/NARC should be "Narc"[/quote]

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- falkman said...
- User
- 4 Apr 2008, 01:04
eeeehhh i just noticed on my recent scorbbled tracks, that several songs of the tindersticks i'm playing have additional brackets in the title, that include the info they are bbc sessions and the date

well, there not. i'm listening to an album. it's tagged correctly via musicbrainz tagger. i found no such infos in the mp3 metas. why does last.fm change that automatically (wrong)?

i never want to say my best days are behind me

[quote][b][user]falkman[/user][/b] said: eeeehhh i just noticed on my recent scorbbled tracks, that several songs of the tindersticks i'm playing have additional brackets in the title, that include the info they are bbc sessions and the date well, there not. i'm listening to an album. it's tagged correctly via musicbrainz tagger. i found no such infos in the mp3 metas. why does last.fm change that automatically (wrong)?[/quote]

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- Bloopy said...
- User
- 4 Apr 2008, 03:06
Maybe it was in the ID3v2 tag but you were looking at the ID3v1 tag?

Dead Kid Harvester, the sound of kitchen utensils, erratic discord, insanity.
Latest song: Radiation.

Central Point: where artists and listeners meet

[quote][b][user]Bloopy[/user][/b] said: Maybe it was in the ID3v2 tag but you were looking at the ID3v1 tag?[/quote]

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- mustaqila said...
- Staff
- 4 Apr 2008, 10:20
falkman said:
eeeehhh i just noticed on my recent scorbbled tracks, that several songs of the tindersticks i'm playing have additional brackets in the title, that include the info they are bbc sessions and the date

well, there not. i'm listening to an album. it's tagged correctly via musicbrainz tagger. i found no such infos in the mp3 metas. why does last.fm change that automatically (wrong)?
What tracks in specific are allegedly doing this, and what media player are you using?

Moose > Ponies (and goats)

[quote][b][user]mustaqila[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]falkman[/user][/b] said: eeeehhh i just noticed on my recent scorbbled tracks, that several songs of the tindersticks i'm playing have additional brackets in the title, that include the info they are bbc sessions and the date well, there not. i'm listening to an album. it's tagged correctly via musicbrainz tagger. i found no such infos in the mp3 metas. why does last.fm change that automatically (wrong)?[/quote] What tracks in specific are allegedly doing this, and what media player are you using?[/quote]

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- matyus said...
- Subscriber
- 4 Apr 2008, 11:40
I mentioned this on the first page, about multiple artists on the Data page that has since been changed to DatA from the previous Data.

My personal preference would be for it to be DATA, but obviously we can't all get it our own way. Though I feel it should be a more neutral Data rather than giving one artist preference, especially considering DATA were around first.

I hope this makes sense.

[quote][b][user]matyus[/user][/b] said: I mentioned this on the first page, about multiple artists on the [artist]Data[/artist] page that has since been changed to DatA from the previous Data. My personal preference would be for it to be DATA, but obviously we can't all get it our own way. Though I feel it should be a more neutral Data rather than giving one artist preference, especially considering DATA were around first. I hope this makes sense. [/quote]

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- michaellennen said...
- User
- 4 Apr 2008, 12:03
Please could you capitalize the "minutes" and "feat." in 4 Minutes (feat. Justin Timberlake)?

[quote][b][user]michaellennen[/user][/b] said: Please could you capitalize the "minutes" and "feat." in [track artist=Madonna]4 minutes (Feat. Justin Timberlake)[/track]?[/quote]

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- falkman said...
- User
- 4 Apr 2008, 12:50
mustaqila said:

What tracks in specific are allegedly doing this, and what media player are you using?

http://www.last.fm/user/falkman/charts/?charttype=recenttracks

tindersticks

these three songs: She's Gone, A Night In and El Diablo en El Ojo

i'm using the current winamp version, all songs are from the album 'Tindersticks [II]'
i was playing this songs before without this happening, strange, but at least the artist is correct

i never want to say my best days are behind me

[quote][b][user]falkman[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]mustaqila[/user][/b] said: What tracks in specific are allegedly doing this, and what media player are you using?[/quote] http://www.last.fm/user/falkman/charts/?charttype=recenttracks tindersticks these three songs: She's Gone, A Night In and El Diablo en El Ojo i'm using the current winamp version, all songs are from the album 'Tindersticks [II]' i was playing this songs before without this happening, strange, but at least the artist is correct[/quote]

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- mustaqila said...
- Staff
- 4 Apr 2008, 17:28
falkman said:
http://www.last.fm/user/falkman/charts/?charttype=recenttracks

tindersticks

these three songs: She's Gone, A Night In and El Diablo en El Ojo

i'm using the current winamp version, all songs are from the album 'Tindersticks [II]'
i was playing this songs before without this happening, strange, but at least the artist is correct
That would appear to be due to you having MBIDs in the MP3s, and it submitting the MBID and us building up your tags based on the MBID as opposed to the other ID3 tags.

Moose > Ponies (and goats)

[quote][b][user]mustaqila[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]falkman[/user][/b] said: http://www.last.fm/user/falkman/charts/?charttype=recenttracks tindersticks these three songs: She's Gone, A Night In and El Diablo en El Ojo i'm using the current winamp version, all songs are from the album 'Tindersticks [II]' i was playing this songs before without this happening, strange, but at least the artist is correct[/quote] That would appear to be due to you having MBIDs in the MP3s, and it submitting the MBID and us building up your tags based on the MBID as opposed to the other ID3 tags.[/quote]

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- LugaidVandroiy said...
- User
- 4 Apr 2008, 18:51
I noticed a few Eluveitie tracks should be changed:

The Endless Knot to "The Endless Knot"

Of Fire, Wind & Wisdom to "Of Fire, Wind & Wisdom"

Calling the Rain to "Calling the Rain"

Gray Sublime Archon to "Gray Sublime Archon"

[quote][b][user]LugaidVandroiy[/user][/b] said: I noticed a few Eluveitie tracks should be changed: [track artist=eluveitie]the endless knot[/track] to "The Endless Knot" [track artist=eluveitie]of fire, wind & wisdom[/track] to "Of Fire, Wind & Wisdom" [track artist=eluveitie]calling the rain[/track] to "Calling the Rain" [track artist=eluveitie]gray sublime archon[/track] to "Gray Sublime Archon"[/quote]

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- sssundaygirl said...
- User
- 4 Apr 2008, 19:31
If You're Into It should be "If You're Into It"
Thank you!

[quote][b][user]sssundaygirl[/user][/b] said: [track artist=Flight Of The Concords]if you're into it[/track] should be "If You're Into It" Thank you![/quote]

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- falkman said...
- User
- 4 Apr 2008, 20:23
so they're tagged wrong?

as i said, i tagged them with picard tagger (from musicbrainz) to his here album http://musicbrainz.org/release/5af9e21c-23b5-4618-aa31-404f17ae031f.html

i don't know where this additional infos could come from, but it's not really a problem. the song charts are of minor concern anyway

i'm just playing one of the songs, that were scrobbled so funny yesterday and when i open the last.fm plugin it's all correct, title, album etc.
on my page when 'now playing' it's also correct but now as the song is scrobbled it suddenly has these BBC Session blabla infos in it again. very strange.

i never want to say my best days are behind me

[quote][b][user]falkman[/user][/b] said: so they're tagged wrong? as i said, i tagged them with picard tagger (from musicbrainz) to his here album http://musicbrainz.org/release/5af9e21c-23b5-4618-aa31-404f17ae031f.html i don't know where this additional infos could come from, but it's not really a problem. the song charts are of minor concern anyway i'm just playing one of the songs, that were scrobbled so funny yesterday and when i open the last.fm plugin it's all correct, title, album etc. on my page when 'now playing' it's also correct but now as the song is scrobbled it suddenly has these BBC Session blabla infos in it again. very strange.[/quote]

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- neverlandean said...
- User
- 4 Apr 2008, 21:59
http://www.last.fm/music/Cascada/_/runaway

should be "Runaway" and

http://www.last.fm/music/Anouk/_/if+i+go

should be "If I Go". :)

This must be such a bore for you guys. xD

[quote][b][user]neverlandean[/user][/b] said: [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Cascada/_/runaway]http://www.last.fm/music/Cascada/_/runaway[/url] should be "Runaway" and [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Anouk/_/if+i+go]http://www.last.fm/music/Anouk/_/if+i+go[/url] should be "If I Go". :) This must be such a bore for you guys. xD[/quote]

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- Indeciso said...
- Subscriber
- 4 Apr 2008, 23:40
I'm so glad this thread is up! This artist has always been wrong.

http://www.last.fm/music/ToBY+LOVE/

His name is just Toby Love, its incorrectly tagged ToBY LOVE.

Also his number one song is tagged in all caps, can this be changed also?

http://www.last.fm/music/ToBY+LOVE/_/TENGO+UN+AMOR
It should just be Tengo Un Amor, and thank you!

[quote][b][user]Indeciso[/user][/b] said: I'm so glad this thread is up! This artist has always been wrong. http://www.last.fm/music/ToBY+LOVE/ His name is just Toby Love, its incorrectly tagged ToBY LOVE. Also his number one song is tagged in all caps, can this be changed also? http://www.last.fm/music/ToBY+LOVE/_/TENGO+UN+AMOR It should just be Tengo Un Amor, and thank you![/quote]

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- ziarczak said...
- User
- 5 Apr 2008, 08:13
http://www.last.fm/music/Flow+Dynamics/_/Live+in+the+mix

Should be: "Live in the Mix"

[quote][b][user]ziarczak[/user][/b] said: http://www.last.fm/music/Flow+Dynamics/_/Live+in+the+mix Should be: "Live in the Mix"[/quote]

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- ghozza said...
- User
- 5 Apr 2008, 16:51
matyus said:
I mentioned this on the first page, about multiple artists on the DatA page that has since been changed to DatA from the previous Data.

My personal preference would be for it to be DATA, but obviously we can't all get it our own way. Though I feel it should be a more neutral Data rather than giving one artist preference, especially considering DATA were around first.

I hope this makes sense.

While looking at the charts, similar artists, groups, comments, pictures, events, etc... you can conclude that the french DatA is far more popular than the other DATA ... therefore it is logical to capitalize it this way...

same goes for SebastiAn

of course no offence to Data

'There is no terror in the bang, only in the anticipation of it.' -Alfred Hitchcock- ♥

[quote][b][user]ghozza[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]matyus[/user][/b] said: I mentioned this on the first page, about multiple artists on the [artist]Data[/artist] page that has since been changed to DatA from the previous Data. My personal preference would be for it to be DATA, but obviously we can't all get it our own way. Though I feel it should be a more neutral Data rather than giving one artist preference, especially considering DATA were around first. I hope this makes sense. [/quote] While looking at the charts, similar artists, groups, comments, pictures, events, etc... you can conclude that the french DatA is far more popular than the other DATA ... therefore it is logical to capitalize it this way... same goes for [artist]Sebastian[/artist] of course no offence to Data [img]http://www.pixload.us/thumbs/127110data.jpg[/img][/quote]

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- said...
- User
- 5 Apr 2008, 19:20
GOODIE MEMORIES should be GOODIE MEMORIES
http://www.artimage.co.jp/artist/hinouchi/top.html

MAGIC should be MAGIC
http://www.amazon.co.jp/MAGIC-MEG/dp/B0012PYGZ2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1201335014&sr=1-2
(see on the cover art)

ONE OK ROCK should be ONE OK ROCK
http://www.amazon.co.jp/ONE-OK-ROCK/dp/B000FZDMNM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1207423157&sr=1-2
(their official website doesn't work sorry)

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: [track artist=日之内絵美]goodie memories[/track] should be GOODIE MEMORIES http://www.artimage.co.jp/artist/hinouchi/top.html [track artist=meg]magic[/track] should be MAGIC http://www.amazon.co.jp/MAGIC-MEG/dp/B0012PYGZ2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1201335014&sr=1-2 (see on the cover art) [artist]ONE OK ROCK[/artist] should be ONE OK ROCK http://www.amazon.co.jp/ONE-OK-ROCK/dp/B000FZDMNM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1207423157&sr=1-2 (their official website doesn't work sorry) [/quote]

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- GrannyGreen said...
- User
- 5 Apr 2008, 19:48
Can someone please change Are You Okay, Kiddo? to "Are You Okay, Kiddo?", thanks!

[quote][b][user]GrannyGreen[/user][/b] said: Can someone please change [track artist=Heavy Heavy Low Low]are you okay, kiddo?[/track] to "Are You Okay, Kiddo?", thanks![/quote]

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- GrannyGreen said...
- User
- 5 Apr 2008, 19:53
Sorry for multiple posts, but it'd also be cool if I Should Tell You was changed to "I Should Tell You".

[quote][b][user]GrannyGreen[/user][/b] said: Sorry for multiple posts, but it'd also be cool if [track artist=Eighteen Visions]i should tell you[/track] was changed to "I Should Tell You".[/quote]

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- TheMannen said...
- Moderator
- 6 Apr 2008, 20:34
Just fixed the latest stuff here. But would someone mind telling me why all these japanese artist are so... obsessed with caps? Versalkåta.

Also, someone brought up having this as a sticky. I personally wouldn't mind it, but I'm not really the one who runs this place either. But with that we could also write up some general rules in the first post about what we can and can't change. Pros/cons, anyone?

Join The Metal Observer group!

[quote][b][user]TheMannen[/user][/b] said: Just fixed the latest stuff here. But would someone mind telling me why all these japanese artist are so... obsessed with caps? Versalkåta. Also, someone brought up having this as a sticky. I personally wouldn't mind it, but I'm not really the one who runs this place either. But with that we could also write up some general rules in the first post about what we can and can't change. Pros/cons, anyone?[/quote]

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- sweetheroin said...
- User
- 6 Apr 2008, 21:05
http://www.last.fm/music/possessed+by+paul+james

should be Possessed By Paul James

[quote][b][user]sweetheroin[/user][/b] said: http://www.last.fm/music/possessed+by+paul+james should be Possessed By Paul James[/quote]

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- mc08 said...
- User
- 6 Apr 2008, 21:46
TheMannen said:
Just fixed the latest stuff here. But would someone mind telling me why all these japanese artist are so... obsessed with caps? Versalkåta.
Only some of them use ALL CAPS. ;-) Others may prefer lower case or sentence case too. It varies between each artist, of course.

Also, someone brought up having this as a sticky. I personally wouldn't mind it, but I'm not really the one who runs this place either. But with that we could also write up some general rules in the first post about what we can and can't change. Pros/cons, anyone?
That would be a great idea. I don’t see why not. To make things fairer for everyone, I think moderators shouldn’t be obligated to follow up on these unless there is solid proof the artist intentionally capitalizes names/titles like that, either through official websites or album scans.

And by the way, could day after tomorrow be changed (back) to day after tomorrow, please? Thanks so much!
http://www.dat-net.jp/index.html

[quote][b][user]mc08[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]TheMannen[/user][/b] said: Just fixed the latest stuff here. But would someone mind telling me why all these japanese artist are so... obsessed with caps? Versalkåta.[/quote] Only some of them use ALL CAPS. ;-) Others may prefer lower case or sentence case too. It varies between each artist, of course. [quote]Also, someone brought up having this as a sticky. I personally wouldn't mind it, but I'm not really the one who runs this place either. But with that we could also write up some general rules in the first post about what we can and can't change. Pros/cons, anyone?[/quote] That would be a great idea. I don’t see why not. To make things fairer for everyone, I think moderators shouldn’t be obligated to follow up on these unless there is solid proof the artist [i]intentionally[/i] capitalizes names/titles like that, either through official websites or album scans. And by the way, could [artist]day after tomorrow[/artist] be changed (back) to [b]day after tomorrow[/b], please? Thanks so much! http://www.dat-net.jp/index.html[/quote]

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- neverlandean said...
- User
- 6 Apr 2008, 21:52
TheMannen said:
Just fixed the latest stuff here. But would someone mind telling me why all these japanese artist are so... obsessed with caps? Versalkåta.

Also, someone brought up having this as a sticky. I personally wouldn't mind it, but I'm not really the one who runs this place either. But with that we could also write up some general rules in the first post about what we can and can't change. Pros/cons, anyone?

Yeah what's with Japanese and capitals, I've always wondered... I like the "sticky" idea but you should make EXTREMELY clear that you can only change the case of the titles, not the wrong tags - as I myself had thought at first.

And some more:

http://www.last.fm/music/Pink+Martini/_/The+gardens+of+sampson+and+beasley
should be The Gardens Of Sampson And Beasley

http://www.last.fm/music/Blake+Lewis/_/Know+my+name
should be Know My Name

and now I'm being paranoid but could you PLEASE capitalize the "t" in these two:

http://www.last.fm/music/Girls+Aloud/_/Call+the+Shots
as Call The Shots
and

http://www.last.fm/music/Girls+Aloud/_/Close+to+Love
as Close To Love plz plz plz plz plz plz

And don't forget to make a rule about this thing, in other words that you won't be bothered capitalizing tiny words such as 'the' and 'of' unless they are at the beginning of the tag.

Thanks and sorry for the huge post:)

[quote][b][user]neverlandean[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]TheMannen[/user][/b] said: Just fixed the latest stuff here. But would someone mind telling me why all these japanese artist are so... obsessed with caps? Versalkåta. Also, someone brought up having this as a sticky. I personally wouldn't mind it, but I'm not really the one who runs this place either. But with that we could also write up some general rules in the first post about what we can and can't change. Pros/cons, anyone?[/quote] Yeah what's with Japanese and capitals, I've always wondered... I like the "sticky" idea but you should make [b]EXTREMELY[/b] clear that you can only change the case of the titles, not the wrong tags - as I myself had thought at first. And some more: [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Pink+Martini/_/The+gardens+of+sampson+and+beasley]http://www.last.fm/music/Pink+Martini/_/The+gardens+of+sampson+and+beasley[/url] should be The Gardens Of Sampson And Beasley [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Blake+Lewis/_/Know+my+name]http://www.last.fm/music/Blake+Lewis/_/Know+my+name[/url] should be Know My Name and now I'm being paranoid but could you PLEASE capitalize the "t" in these two: [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Girls+Aloud/_/Call+the+Shots]http://www.last.fm/music/Girls+Aloud/_/Call+the+Shots[/url] as Call The Shots and [url=http://www.last.fm/music/Girls+Aloud/_/Close+to+Love]http://www.last.fm/music/Girls+Aloud/_/Close+to+Love[/url] as Close To Love plz plz plz plz plz plz And don't forget to make a rule about this thing, in other words that you won't be bothered capitalizing tiny words such as 'the' and 'of' unless they are at the beginning of the tag. Thanks and sorry for the huge post:)[/quote]

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- said...
- User
- 6 Apr 2008, 22:27
Some song titles in need of correcting…

http://www.last.fm/music/Bobby+Darin/_/That+lucky+old+sun
to "That Lucky Old Sun"

http://www.last.fm/music/Bobby+Darin/_/reason+to+Believe
to “Reason to Believe”

http://www.last.fm/music/Bobby+Darin/_/I%27ve+got+you+under+my+skin
to “I’ve Got You Under My Skin”

http://www.last.fm/music/Bobby+Darin/_/reverend+mr.+black
to “Reverend Mr. Black”

http://www.last.fm/music/Jaye+P.+Morgan/_/take+a+chance
to “Take a Chance”

http://www.last.fm/music/Keely+Smith/_/On+The+Sunny+SIde+Of+The+Street
to “On the Sunny Side of the Street”

http://www.last.fm/music/Lee+Morse/_/if+you+want+the+rainbow
to “If You Want the Rainbow”

Oh, and could this artist name be capitalized to “Santiago Morales”? http://www.last.fm/music/santiago+morales

Thanks!

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: Some song titles in need of correcting… http://www.last.fm/music/Bobby+Darin/_/That+lucky+old+sun to "That Lucky Old Sun" http://www.last.fm/music/Bobby+Darin/_/reason+to+Believe to “Reason to Believe” http://www.last.fm/music/Bobby+Darin/_/I%27ve+got+you+under+my+skin to “I’ve Got You Under My Skin” http://www.last.fm/music/Bobby+Darin/_/reverend+mr.+black to “Reverend Mr. Black” http://www.last.fm/music/Jaye+P.+Morgan/_/take+a+chance to “Take a Chance” http://www.last.fm/music/Keely+Smith/_/On+The+Sunny+SIde+Of+The+Street to “On the Sunny Side of the Street” http://www.last.fm/music/Lee+Morse/_/if+you+want+the+rainbow to “If You Want the Rainbow” Oh, and could this artist name be capitalized to “Santiago Morales”? http://www.last.fm/music/santiago+morales Thanks! [/quote]

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